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	<description>James Little writes about Affiliate Marketing, SEO, PPC, Blogging, Internet Revenue, and other random thoughts</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dylan,

You&#039;re in quite a good possition then.

You can quite clearly see what affiliates are promoting the program and getting sales and introduce yourself &amp; talk about how you can improve the figures further.

As well as that, you can speak to all the affiliates who may be promoting the program but not getting clicks / sales or may have signed up but still don&#039;t promote the campaign.  You can encourage them, incentivise them and do anything else that might help both your program and their income.

At the end of your comment you then say something very interesting (well, interesting to me!).

&gt; Exposure is great but why do I need affiliates who don&#039;t do anything

&gt; I would rather give commission to those hardworking webmasters who keep current with campaigns and banners

At the end of the day - you WILL be giving commission to these affiliates, even if the others are still on the program.

It can take a long time to activate an affiliate but you can bet your bottom dollar (is that the right term?) that after kicking an affiliate off a program for no good reason they won&#039;t be back.

Thanks for visiting the blog and taking part in the discussions!

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dylan,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re in quite a good possition then.</p>
<p>You can quite clearly see what affiliates are promoting the program and getting sales and introduce yourself &#038; talk about how you can improve the figures further.</p>
<p>As well as that, you can speak to all the affiliates who may be promoting the program but not getting clicks / sales or may have signed up but still don&#8217;t promote the campaign.  You can encourage them, incentivise them and do anything else that might help both your program and their income.</p>
<p>At the end of your comment you then say something very interesting (well, interesting to me!).</p>
<p>> Exposure is great but why do I need affiliates who don&#8217;t do anything</p>
<p>> I would rather give commission to those hardworking webmasters who keep current with campaigns and banners</p>
<p>At the end of the day &#8211; you WILL be giving commission to these affiliates, even if the others are still on the program.</p>
<p>It can take a long time to activate an affiliate but you can bet your bottom dollar (is that the right term?) that after kicking an affiliate off a program for no good reason they won&#8217;t be back.</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting the blog and taking part in the discussions!</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Dyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know for me that I have adopted an affiliate program where all applicants were accepted, regardless of their relevance to the product.  So now the challenge I face is maintaining the perceived value and quality of the product, even when it is featured on less than desirable sites.
It begs the age old question of quantity vs. quality.  Yes, exposure is great, but why do I need affiliates who don&#039;t do anything at all to promote the product?  I would rather give the commission to those hardworking webmasters who keep current with campaigns and banners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know for me that I have adopted an affiliate program where all applicants were accepted, regardless of their relevance to the product.  So now the challenge I face is maintaining the perceived value and quality of the product, even when it is featured on less than desirable sites.<br />
It begs the age old question of quantity vs. quality.  Yes, exposure is great, but why do I need affiliates who don&#8217;t do anything at all to promote the product?  I would rather give the commission to those hardworking webmasters who keep current with campaigns and banners.</p>
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		<title>By: hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the reason for all these moves is incorrect stats and performance indicators. A lot of merchants use an outdated KPI to measure their agency/affiliate program by: ratio of active/inactive affiliates. So the agency, wanting to improve this (useless) metric have 2 choices: work with the inactive affiliates and activate them (hard work) or kick them out (eliminate the problem from its root!). The fact that the KPI is greatly improved without an impact in affiliate revenue and the program&#039;s profitability is a different question altogether...

However, to say &quot;you&#039;re underperforming, so we&#039;re kicking you out&quot;, that&#039;s a new one, haven&#039;t come across this before. Agencies need to understand the importance of small affiliates and their potential: the long tail of affiliates is equally important to the &quot;super affiliates&quot;. They&#039;re costing you less, they are more consistent, they respect you more, why treat them like dirt?
Was there a term when joining the merchant &quot;I shall only join if I pledge to provide 100 sales per month&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reason for all these moves is incorrect stats and performance indicators. A lot of merchants use an outdated KPI to measure their agency/affiliate program by: ratio of active/inactive affiliates. So the agency, wanting to improve this (useless) metric have 2 choices: work with the inactive affiliates and activate them (hard work) or kick them out (eliminate the problem from its root!). The fact that the KPI is greatly improved without an impact in affiliate revenue and the program&#8217;s profitability is a different question altogether&#8230;</p>
<p>However, to say &#8220;you&#8217;re underperforming, so we&#8217;re kicking you out&#8221;, that&#8217;s a new one, haven&#8217;t come across this before. Agencies need to understand the importance of small affiliates and their potential: the long tail of affiliates is equally important to the &#8220;super affiliates&#8221;. They&#8217;re costing you less, they are more consistent, they respect you more, why treat them like dirt?<br />
Was there a term when joining the merchant &#8220;I shall only join if I pledge to provide 100 sales per month&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.3wdl.co.uk/2007/07/26/kicking-affiliates-off-the-campaign-is-not-the-answer-to-your-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with James. I really don&#039;t understand what good comes from kicking people off their program. Even if the affiliate isn&#039;t driving a huge quantity of sales they may well be giving the merchant X&#039;s brand a lot of exposure.

The great thing about affiliate marketing is that the merchant doesn&#039;t have to pay anything unless a sale is generated. So if for example an affiliate is displaying a banner which for one reason or another doesn&#039;t directly generate sales, but puts Merchant X&#039;s logo in front of a large number of users. Merchant X is infact getting something for nothing. If Merchant X has a well known brand the user may well automatically think of Merchant x and visit them directly when they actually do want to make a purchase. In a kind of subliminal... &#039;Why did I think of that&#039;, Derren Brown sort of way! :)

Any merchants out there who have done this please enlighten me... Are networks started to charge per affiliate on the program? If this was the case I could understand the cull, but to the best of my knowledge they don&#039;t... IMHO it&#039;s just a lack of awareness of affiliate marketing and a rather heavy handed approach to try and kick start a program which might not be doing so well. A little more carrot and less stick is needed here perhaps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with James. I really don&#8217;t understand what good comes from kicking people off their program. Even if the affiliate isn&#8217;t driving a huge quantity of sales they may well be giving the merchant X&#8217;s brand a lot of exposure.</p>
<p>The great thing about affiliate marketing is that the merchant doesn&#8217;t have to pay anything unless a sale is generated. So if for example an affiliate is displaying a banner which for one reason or another doesn&#8217;t directly generate sales, but puts Merchant X&#8217;s logo in front of a large number of users. Merchant X is infact getting something for nothing. If Merchant X has a well known brand the user may well automatically think of Merchant x and visit them directly when they actually do want to make a purchase. In a kind of subliminal&#8230; &#8216;Why did I think of that&#8217;, Derren Brown sort of way! <img src='http://www.3wdl.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Any merchants out there who have done this please enlighten me&#8230; Are networks started to charge per affiliate on the program? If this was the case I could understand the cull, but to the best of my knowledge they don&#8217;t&#8230; IMHO it&#8217;s just a lack of awareness of affiliate marketing and a rather heavy handed approach to try and kick start a program which might not be doing so well. A little more carrot and less stick is needed here perhaps!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you James.

I can in some small instances see how or why this may happen as there are situations where a merchant does contact the affiliates (either in bulk or individually) and asks what can be changed to help them get better results or to contact the merchant with suggestions, but they aren&#039;t interested.

I know of merchants that have noticed that there is something wrong or could be tweaked on affiliate&#039;s sites and suggested that if they looked into it, it would help convert and make more sales and many of them still aren&#039;t interested.

I guess it&#039;s a case of leave the non performing affiliates alone and concentrate on those that are interested. Is it worth having loads of affiliates onboard that won&#039;t do anything but send a couple of clicks through and have no interest in trying to improve when you offer them the extra help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you James.</p>
<p>I can in some small instances see how or why this may happen as there are situations where a merchant does contact the affiliates (either in bulk or individually) and asks what can be changed to help them get better results or to contact the merchant with suggestions, but they aren&#8217;t interested.</p>
<p>I know of merchants that have noticed that there is something wrong or could be tweaked on affiliate&#8217;s sites and suggested that if they looked into it, it would help convert and make more sales and many of them still aren&#8217;t interested.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s a case of leave the non performing affiliates alone and concentrate on those that are interested. Is it worth having loads of affiliates onboard that won&#8217;t do anything but send a couple of clicks through and have no interest in trying to improve when you offer them the extra help?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid point Tom, but this is not a network decision, it is an agency / merchant one.

Networks are setup so that the account management can handle thousands of affiliates no matter on the volume - this is the reason they exist after all.

The point here is that the agency feel that having too many affiliates on their  program is hard to manage, but having managed programs with thousands of programs previously I would not say that this is such a big chore - it&#039;s important to try and get non-performing affiliates to react to an offer or program but kicking them off the program is not the right way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid point Tom, but this is not a network decision, it is an agency / merchant one.</p>
<p>Networks are setup so that the account management can handle thousands of affiliates no matter on the volume &#8211; this is the reason they exist after all.</p>
<p>The point here is that the agency feel that having too many affiliates on their  program is hard to manage, but having managed programs with thousands of programs previously I would not say that this is such a big chore &#8211; it&#8217;s important to try and get non-performing affiliates to react to an offer or program but kicking them off the program is not the right way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it&#039;s a question of time and resource for the affiliate networks. The financial and account management overhead of keeping say 1000 affiliates that are driving low volumes on their books is very high.

OK, sure tracking is an automated process, but dealing with the reality of tech support, day to day admin and payments involves a cost. If 1000 low performing affiliates cost more to administer than they make in profit for the networks, then surely it&#039;s a fair game for the networks to carry out a cull.

IMHO, unless you can see all the numbers in front of you it&#039;s hard to tell whether the networks are being fair or just plain greedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it&#8217;s a question of time and resource for the affiliate networks. The financial and account management overhead of keeping say 1000 affiliates that are driving low volumes on their books is very high.</p>
<p>OK, sure tracking is an automated process, but dealing with the reality of tech support, day to day admin and payments involves a cost. If 1000 low performing affiliates cost more to administer than they make in profit for the networks, then surely it&#8217;s a fair game for the networks to carry out a cull.</p>
<p>IMHO, unless you can see all the numbers in front of you it&#8217;s hard to tell whether the networks are being fair or just plain greedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Pratley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Pratley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t agree more James. Only reason to kick affiliates off is if they are breaking the rules or doing anything detrimental to the brand.

A lot of sites are slow burners or just create a steady, but very small stream of sales. The EPC argument is rubbish anyway, some of the smallest affiliates get excellent EPC&#039;s just not enough of the &#039;C&#039;s!

If I were you I&#039;d get hold of the merchant&#039;s contact details and ask them directly, I&#039;m sure that&#039;ll stir a few people into action, and you might pick up some tips to get you onto a higher tier.

A more proactive approach might be to hold an open day for inactive affiliates to try to get a bit more action, rather than slinging them out of the programme, but I guess that&#039;s just too much like hard work for some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t agree more James. Only reason to kick affiliates off is if they are breaking the rules or doing anything detrimental to the brand.</p>
<p>A lot of sites are slow burners or just create a steady, but very small stream of sales. The EPC argument is rubbish anyway, some of the smallest affiliates get excellent EPC&#8217;s just not enough of the &#8216;C&#8217;s!</p>
<p>If I were you I&#8217;d get hold of the merchant&#8217;s contact details and ask them directly, I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;ll stir a few people into action, and you might pick up some tips to get you onto a higher tier.</p>
<p>A more proactive approach might be to hold an open day for inactive affiliates to try to get a bit more action, rather than slinging them out of the programme, but I guess that&#8217;s just too much like hard work for some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Gav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about because it kicks up a fuss, reminds affiliates that they&#039;re on the programme and makes quite a substantial amount of them wake up and actually do something with their links?

I can&#039;t say I&#039;d ever do it, or recommend it, but neither can I say that I can&#039;t see that there are some advantages.  Particularly on programmes where clients are keen to protect and monitor their brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about because it kicks up a fuss, reminds affiliates that they&#8217;re on the programme and makes quite a substantial amount of them wake up and actually do something with their links?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;d ever do it, or recommend it, but neither can I say that I can&#8217;t see that there are some advantages.  Particularly on programmes where clients are keen to protect and monitor their brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This getting kicked problem is something I run into a lot. Espescially on certain networks. I only use SEO led methods of driving traffic and hence sales to merchant sites. Unfortunately this takes time. I need to be accepted onto a program befoer I can build content, pages, links and even whole new sites depending on the needs of the site. there have been two or three times where by the time I&#039;ve developed the site, wrote some nice content, got the blog going and bang email telling me I&#039;m no longer on campaign. Pais in the A**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This getting kicked problem is something I run into a lot. Espescially on certain networks. I only use SEO led methods of driving traffic and hence sales to merchant sites. Unfortunately this takes time. I need to be accepted onto a program befoer I can build content, pages, links and even whole new sites depending on the needs of the site. there have been two or three times where by the time I&#8217;ve developed the site, wrote some nice content, got the blog going and bang email telling me I&#8217;m no longer on campaign. Pais in the A**</p>
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